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America's shame

Participant: cfallon

Date: 2003-04-09 16:18:46

I guess you won't be surprised if I take a slightly different stance! :)

I don't think the UN should be allowed to administer anything in Iraq, except the provision of humanitarian aid.

I think the US was going to respect Russian contracts all along because Russia desperately needs the money. I don't think any contracts with Paris should be respected and that would be a sufficient French contribution - I think we should be very wary of any participation on the part of France in reconstructing Iraq. Paris has made it very clear they do not believe the middle east can support democracies and they will actively pursue thwarting any attempts to bring democracy to Iraq.

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America's shame

Participant: codc01

Date: 2003-04-09 17:37:06

I know you would be opposed to what i wrote, dont worry!`:)

I must admit that most of the times i don't understand where your information comes from (citing from you):

"Paris has made it very clear they do not believe the middle east can support democracies and they will actively pursue thwarting any attempts to bring democracy to Iraq. "

Where does this come from? You're
sources of information are the best sources of propaganda i've ever seen, they even beat the US and Iraq propaganda put together!

Stop listening to CJAD AM radio (if it still exists)... :)

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America's shame

Participant: fatmomma

Date: 2003-04-12 00:19:08

cfallon never gives sources for his information.
I don't know France's position on whether the middle east can support democracies but I think it is doubtful that Iraq is ready to support a democracy. Instant democracies do not tend to stick. They tend to become corrupt. The Iraqi people have not been recieving the training needed to
successful run a country or to understand or trust democracy. Russia had many problems converting to a democracy. Citizens found themselves worse off and blamed democracy. Crime flourished. An expert (American I believe) said he believed it would take at least one generation before Iraq would be able to have a viable democracy. Just caught the end of interview.

Meanwhile, they could be easily lead by outside interests

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America's shame

Participant: codc01

Date: 2003-04-12 14:39:05

I think that Democracy is a very slow process which can only happen when the people of different countries are ready on their own. The more education the people have, the greater the chance of these people wanting democracy.

Canada's view of not imposing things on other countries is the right one.

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America's shame

Participant: cfallon

Date: 2003-04-14 15:14:55

Of course, the USA was an instant democracy.

You bring up Russia's troubles, but ignore the success in Poland and Hungary.

Japan became an instand and solid democracy.

It can be done.

Iraqis have a large group of educated people and I wouldn't count them out yet.

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