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Journalists attacked..

Participant: Barretm82

Date: 2003-04-21 21:38:34


..."How are these soldiers who have mistakenly killed their own soldiers or other innocents deal with this. The guilt could really damage them."...

Yes, you are right here. I have had long arguments with some U.S. people on that point and friendly fire problems.

If you ever thought that I'm difficult with you, you really haven't seen nothing compared to 'discussions' I had with them. :)


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Journalists attacked..

Participant: fatmomma

Date: 2003-04-22 08:39:35


Barrett; I keep remembering the Oklahama bombing was carried out by a veteran of the first gulf war; Do we really know what set him off. Is this war going to send home more like him.
(sorry, having a senior moment- his name just won't come through till I have posted this).
I don't believe the bombing of the Canadians was only the pilots fault; yes I do think there was some hotdogging by them but I am aware that they were not briefed on the Canadians being there. The Canadians were not informed to be using special beacons.
During the heat of battle; I realize there is no time to insure civillian or friendly troops are not hit but many of these incidents did NOT happen during the heat of battle. I question why the
American personnel who were taken prisoners by the Iraqis could happen to take a wrong turn; why would they not be travelling in a convoy. They were mechanics and cooks; they would not be front leaders?? Did they not have communication equipment to alert others in their command when they were being attacked.

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Journalists attacked..

Participant: Barretm82

Date: 2003-04-23 13:50:02


..."Barrett; I keep remembering the Oklahama bombing was carried out by a veteran of the first gulf war; Do we really know what set him off. Is this war going to send home more like him."...

Heck I hope not.

This gets back to my point that a certain percentage of the world's populations are sociopaths, and as long as these types exist we will never have worldwide peace.

If at the stroke of midnight everyone in the world became conscientious and truly empathetic with others then dreadful things like that would never happen again.

Unfortunately there are millions in this world who simply have no emotion and empathy for others, anyone of these people like Saddam or his thousands of cohorts could put a weapon to our heads, wipe off the blood and then have lunch without a second thought if there were no consequences of law, or if they misjudged others intent to hold them to account.

This gets to my point about law, “laws against murder for say, can only be effective in a setting were those breaking the laws are not the ones making the laws”. This is why I think many people see the U.N. as an answer, and it would be, if it wasn’t made up of people like Saddam and the U.N. actually enforced its own sanctions (Laws). You can’t have 12 years of sanctions and broken laws with no actions, eventually the police have to show up at the door and physically deal with the matter. (But I digress…)

As for the pilots,
I agree with you, some good points. I'll list what a few things that trouble me.

a. The Pilot reduced speed
b. reduced altitude
c. Didn't identify the target.
d. Based on the above three should have left the area; also no surface to air missiles threats.
e. Indication that the pilots had previously missed opportunities to 'hit' targets and may have been predisposed to getting a 'hit' that day.
f. Also questions of using drugs (speed) for extended missions.






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