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Perhaps the World we don't want

Participant: cfallon

Date: 2003-04-03 11:40:10

Our leaders have made statements that played very well on Iraqi TV. When Saddam wants to make the argument that the US/UK intentions are to conquer and control Iraq's oil, he played snippets, among others, of Canadian government officials admitting their "hatred" for Americans, etc.

"There was no proof of any illegal weapon in Iraq".

Hopefully, I'm wrong, but I think you'll regret saying that.

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Perhaps the World we don't want

Participant: codc01

Date: 2003-04-03 16:58:08

So?? Iraq uses any propaganda weapon at his disposal, what is the problem with that? Are you trying to say, that everyone should agree with a country (in this case the US), so as not to provide any propaganda wapon to any opposed country (in this case Iraq)?

Wow! What a bland world that would be, everyone always saying the same thing!

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Participant: fatmomma

Date: 2003-04-03 23:27:43

Oh, I believe they will "find" these weapons. Will I feel guilty if Iraq uses them? No. The weapons inspectors were just getting on the issues of chemical weapon; Those of us who oppose this war do so because we wanted the weapons inspectors to continue to hunt for any weapons peacefully until that option was no longer viable. That time had not come. We wanted to work peacefully not send out young Americans to become possible victims if the USA's position was correct. We do not believe in condoning mass casualties on either side when there was no urgent need to do so.

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Participant: Barretm82

Date: 2003-04-05 13:19:36

Fatmomma says..."Oh, I believe they will "find" these weapons. Will I feel guilty if Iraq uses them? No."....

I just wanted to highlight that statement of yours; In the event someone may have missed it.

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Participant: fatmomma

Date: 2003-04-05 17:17:15

Barret; I think everyone could read between the lines; that these "finds" while they are probably forthcoming may not be completely honest. That the USA will cover its backside. Nearly any household has the ingredients to make a mustard gas. That any such find done by the USA coalition may be suspect.
Why should I feel guilty? You took that out of context. As I said; the UN was progressing to verifying whether Iraq had any such weapons, but was prevented to complete the investigation by the UN. Would I regret the loss of lives or possible ongoing health problems? Yes. Will the coalition regret all the senseless loss of lives if an independent investigation shows no such evidence of chemical weapons or for endangering their military by not allowing inspectors to turn up such weapons.

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Participant: codc01

Date: 2003-04-05 17:57:38

Didn't we not already debate this issue? I would entirely understand Saddam if he used WMD's at this time, even though i would not agree with him. I think Fatmomma is saying the same thing (I hope?)...

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Participant: fatmomma

Date: 2003-04-05 21:07:36

nor quite; I said they would probably find them if the Americans had to place them or by exaggerating existence of chemicals found as any household has the ingredients for mustard gas (similar) and my lack of guilt. But we are on same wave length. Barret was taking my words out of context purposely

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Participant: Barretm82

Date: 2003-04-05 23:14:06

..."Why should I feel guilty? You took that out of context.
Barret was taking my words out of context purposely."...

(Yes & No), what I was getting at, "If we could do something (anything) to stop the use of Chemical weapons, and we did nothing, should we feel "bad", "Guilty" for not doing anything? When we could have taken actions to save lives?"

I'm not being harsh on you; it is just food for thought.

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Participant: fatmomma

Date: 2003-04-06 03:05:11

But the UN inspectors were trying to do just that and were still looking at Iraqi documentation. That was my reason. Will Bush and Blair feel guilty if they find nothing; I doubt it

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Participant: cfallon

Date: 2003-04-08 13:22:10

They shouldn't feel guilty. They did the right thing.

Iraqi documentation - I have a question - did that documentation get prepared by the Ministry of Information?

If so, I think I know what I'd use that documentation for....

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Participant: fatmomma

Date: 2003-04-08 23:04:23

The documentation of the Americans was proven fraudulent several times. There is obviously no great store of WMD in Iraq. You like to ignore the obvious.
There was No valid reason for invading a disarming country. The Americans are using WMD on civillian targets. They even attacked the Palestinian Hotel that houses journalists with a tank because they THOUGHT there were snipers there. Probably saw glint of binoculars

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