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President Bush & Tony Blair

Contributor: codc01

Date: 2003-03-02 06:57:02

Ok, I don't know who started this comparison with Hitler. But there is a serious misconception, there is no
comparison at all with Hilter either with Saddam or Bush. I think what people meant was the history which led to the 2nd world war instead, and i must admit that these people are right.

Most of us know that Mr. Bush wants to invade Iraq for geopolitical reasons, but people should also note that the inspectors left Iraq in 1998, and were not able to inspect anything since that time, which is contrary to the UN resolutions. What happened between 1998 and now? Nothing!!

The world did nothing and did not continue to enforce inspections, which is very bad for UN's image. Now Bush comes along and says he must disarm (and this i totally agree with him), the problem is he wants to invade Iraq for the WRONG reasons, there lies the big problem.

As for comparison with the 2nd world war, simple : Hitler invaded some countries, but the people of the world were so bent on peace that they said, ok, and let us not forget NEVER the image of the UK Prime Minister Mr. Chamberlain getting off his plane in the UK with a paper signed by Hitler saying we would not invade any more countries. A bit later (I don't know exactly when?), Poland was invaded. Hitler had one of the most powerful armies in Europe, the other countries knew this, and nobody tried to stop it, being too bent on PEACE. That led to the 2nd world war.

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President Bush & Tony Blair

Contributor: fatmomma

Date: 2003-03-03 22:24:22

Just as the US has been invading countries; the rest of the world is saying ok long as it is not us. We want peace; don't want you looking our way.
Just look how many more times Israel has broken UN resolutions. Last time I checked it was Israel 20 Iraq 7. So why isn't the US going after them. The US has the most powerful army in the world. The rest of us want peace. But no country is willing to stick out their neck to stop. Very proud of Turkey for withdrawing their support for war

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President Bush & Tony Blair

Contributor: codc01

Date: 2003-03-04 07:44:13

No, the world is not saying that at all, Canada is trying to find a compromise, you did not hear about this? Where do you get your information?? France, Germany is saying no also. Please check your sources before saying nobody is doing anything.
What is your definition of doing something?

Saddam must be disarmed, there is no question about this.

Don't mix all issues together please. Regarding the US stance on Israel, i am 100% behind your point of view, the US is blatantly wrong in that case. Someone should stand up and say to Israel that they should enforce the UN Security Council resolutions, but nobody wishes to stand up.

All UN resolutions should be respected and enforced for everyone.

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President Bush & Tony Blair

Contributor: cfallon

Date: 2003-03-04 15:08:58

I think you should cut Israel some slack.

Iraq is not surrounded by hostile neighbours who think it shouldn't exist.

Iraq hasn't been invaded and isn't subject to constant terrorist threats.

Israel virtually is. Even peace with Jordan and Egypt doesn't mean that large swaths of those populations want Israel destroyed.

Obviously, we have to get Israel to respect UN resolutions, but not at the expense of being destroyed.

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President Bush & Tony Blair

Contributor: codc01

Date: 2003-03-04 16:30:39

Yes, there is a problem when the other countries think that Israel does not have the right to exist.

I personally think they have the right to exist, but they should respect the UN security council.

Anyways, the Israel issue is too complex for me... So I cannot give a balanced opinion on this topic.

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President Bush & Tony Blair

Contributor: fatmomma

Date: 2003-03-04 22:01:08

Was only tongue in cheek suggesting US should be attacking Israel; just wanted to show that they do not have strong grounds for attacking Iraq and killing more defenceless people. Iraq is trying to show it is willing to disarm; I think I would be unwilling to disarm if some goliath told me he would kill me anyhow. Bush does not want to give peace a chance. The information that I found from several sites states that The USA under Bush senior persuaded Kuwaiti to over extract oil from a joint Iraq/kuwaiti oil fields. Then waited for Iraq to react. This is how the Gulf War started. Must say I didn't want to believe it myself but every route I take for information comes up with same conclusion

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Contributor: fatmomma

Date: 2003-03-04 23:02:08

Iraq is surrounded and being bombed by the USA,every day in the so called "no fly zone area" . This has been happening with no defensive reaction from Iraq. Iraq was more than invaded by the US during the Gulf war; it was a full scale massacre. It was not only military targets hit but thousands of innocent civillians too. The USA's heavy backing of Israel puts it on a different playing field and less ready to make any concessions. They mock the USA stand making very similar statements to justify their actions and do not believe they need to heed any other authority than the USA.

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President Bush & Tony Blair

Contributor: codc01

Date: 2003-03-06 07:24:08

What no fly zone are you talking about?

The north of Iraq or the south of Iraq? One was voted by the security council (I think), the other one was created by the UK and the US... So one of them is illegal, and i think the Iraq army is right in defending itself in the southern no fly zone.

Yes, Israel should respect the UN Resolutions, and i think the US governement should put more pressure on Israel. But I also think that Saddam should be disarmed, as i said earlier,

I agree that force may be necessary, but only as a last resort. Canada's position is the right one (a deadline with an objective based disarmement plan)... As i said, the US is going into Iraq for the wrong reasons entirely.

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