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facts and fiction - Iraq

Contributor: banquosghost

Date: 2003-02-20 10:41:18


Here it is, conclusive proof against Iraq
February 17 2003

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2003/02/16/1045330466588.html





Armando Iannucci offers a collection of Colin Powell's useful facts relating to the proposed actions in the Gulf region.


A collection of Colin Powell's useful facts relating to the proposed actions in the Gulf region.

A: Seven proofs of links between Saddam and al-Qaeda.

1. On an audiotape, Osama bin Laden calls Iraq a "stinking cesspit of socialist debauchery". This criticism is much less hostile than the sort of thing he says about America, thus proving al-Qaeda has warm feelings towards Saddam Hussein.

2. Our surveillance has picked up chatter from al-Qaeda operatives talking about organising a "rendezvous". "Rendezvous" is a French word, and France has constantly obstructed American attempts to impose regime change in Iraq. So again, we see a clear connection between al-Qaeda and Iraq.

3. Our spy planes have photographed Saddam's deputy prime minister being driven in a motorcade of Mercedes cars. Mercedes is a German car, and Germany is in league with France to destroy America, like al-Qaeda. Therefore, etc.


4. The number plate on one of these cars was A03A0 1A, which, in the rear mirror of the car in front, spells al-Qaeda.

5. The motorcade was moving in an easterly direction through Baghdad. If you move in an easterly direction through France, you get to Germany.

6. Saddam is another Hitler. Germany had a Hitler. Again, a direct link with al-Qaeda.

7. Al-Qaeda operatives have recently been arrested in London. The Prime Minister of London, Tony Blair, then visited France for a meeting with Jacques Chirac. Chirac then visited Bonn to celebrate 40 years of his alliance with Gerhard Schroeder of Germany. Schroeder had a meeting with Putin of Russia, who then received Hans Blix, who went to Baghdad. Again, proof of a direct link.

B: Five fascinating facts about Iraq.

1. Iraq is slightly more than twice the size of Idaho, occupying an area the equivalent of 500,000 American aircraft carriers.

2. Iraq has 57 kilometres of coastline. That's the equivalent of 300,000 Apache attack helicopters stretching 57 kilometres.

3. Iraq was once part of the Ottoman Empire, a land mass which, if turned into flour, would be enough to feed bread to the children of Iraq for 100 years. But Saddam refuses to do this and instead spends his money on presidential palaces, which, if converted to milk, would be enough to fill all the oil wells of the Middle East for a fortnight. That's why we have to stop him getting to the wells before he does this.

4. Iraq has 35,000 square kilometres of irrigated land. That's the equivalent of 300 million bottles of anthrax end to end. So where are they?

5. Iraqis consume 27.3 billion kWh of electricity every year, enough to power one Star-Wars style anti-missile system. So where is it, and who's it pointing at?

C: The United Nations constitution explained once and for all.

1. The UN has a 15-member Security Council, of which France, Britain, China, Russia and America are permanent members, with veto rights.

2. The UN Charter allows for the permanent members to use their veto to overrule any majority decision of the council with which they disagree.

3. This is not applicable in cases where France, China or Russia use their veto in unreasonable cases, "unreasonable" being defined as a veto against any recent council majority decisions supported by Britain or America.

4. In these cases, the charter will probably allow America or Britain to veto that veto, thus upholding the earlier unvetoed will of the council, unless the council arrives at a majority decision contrary to the wishes of America or Britain, in which case all the permanent members of the council ought to be obliged to veto it, or to veto any attempt to veto the veto.

Armando Iannucci is a columnist with The Daily Telegraph, London.

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facts and fiction - Iraq

Contributor: Waterloo

Date: 2003-02-20 23:19:41


real helpful toward the discussion Banquo. This is what you have had to resort to?

I would like to take this opportunity to say that I see no evidence of Al Qaeda linked with Iraq, and think that Washington hurt its credibility considerably by trying to make that link. The proof is circumstantial at best, and I have a hard time believing it when the only people making the claim are the US and UK. It wasn't necessary, Saddam has given them all the material breaches and lies they need. A very stupid move in my opinion.

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facts and fiction - Iraq

Contributor: fatmomma

Date: 2003-03-02 12:27:50


I have found very disturbing information on the internet. I have checked several site and get the same information. Richard Cheney former attorney general of the USA brought charges of war crimes naming : G. Bush sr., Quayle, cheney, and Schwarkopf. They were found guilty of 19 charges. One site is:wwwdeoxy.org/wc/warcrim3.htm At first I thought this to be some Iraq propaganda site but have tried other routes and come up with the same information. It, also asserts that the USA orchestrated the Gulf war .

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facts and fiction - Iraq

Contributor: cfallon

Date: 2003-03-04 16:29:34


I'm sorry, I don't understand. Are you saying that the US encouraged or prompted Iraq to invade Kuwait?

That would be pretty worrying...

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facts and fiction - Iraq

Contributor: fatmomma

Date: 2003-03-04 22:51:07


Go to the following site: (http://www.deoxy.org/wc-myth-htm) read "The Charges" I found much of the material hard to believe at first but have checked it out from different angles; comes out the same. If you check other areas of the site; you will find other startling unnerving information. These charges were brought to the UN by a former attorney general of the USA, Mr.Ramsey Clark.
I would be very relieved if anyone could prove to me that this and the other sites I have found are bogus.

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facts and fiction - Iraq

Contributor: Fleabag

Date: 2003-03-05 20:48:42


The US Ambassador to Iraq in 1990, April Glaspie, was summoned to meet with Saddam Hussein on July 25. Glaspie said, " I have direct instruction from the president to seek better relations with Iraq".
Later in the meeting Glaspie told Saddam "But we have no opinion on Arab-Arab conflicts like your border disagreement with Kuwait." She went on to say that the US would insist on a non-violent settlement."I received an instruction to ask you, in the spirit of friendship-not in the spirit of confrontation-regarding your intentions."
Source: The Commanders
Author:Bob Woodward, 1991
Later, Glaspie said 'about 80% of what was published was true'. Many felt that the US had given the 'green light' to Saddam to invade Kuwait. The US says he misinterpreted their overtures.
God forbid that the US government would deceive anyone for their own ends.

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