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United Nations will not release oil money for emergency Food & Water in Iraq...

Contributor: fatmomma

Date: 2003-04-08 22:58:56

Yes, Iraq's Kurds are better off now. What about Turkey's Kurds. They are being slaughtered by Turkey a sometimes ally of the USA. Turkey is only getting promises of 7 Billion from the USA now since Turkey has rescinded the use of their land for the invasion forces. There are many more Kurds in Turkey and Iran than Iraq. That is a problem that should have been addressed long ago. It is not fundamentally an Iraq problem.

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United Nations will not release oil money for emergency Food & Water in Iraq...

Contributor: cfallon

Date: 2003-04-10 10:16:02

I think we see that Turkey is more closely allied to France and Germany now.

What would France and Germany propose to help Kurds? I know: nothing!

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United Nations will not release oil money for emergency Food & Water in Iraq...

Contributor: codc01

Date: 2003-04-10 14:02:19

Your facts are simply wrong.

Turkey is actually aligned with nobody (and I'm very happy with that) - did you know that the UE is constantly threatening Turkey saying they will never get in unless they do that and this... While they did not accept US's bribes either. They stand up for their own interests, and that is quite honorable.

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United Nations will not release oil money for emergency Food & Water in Iraq...

Contributor: cfallon

Date: 2003-04-11 08:56:59

But there is dis-honor because the US stands up for their own interests?

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United Nations will not release oil money for emergency Food & Water in Iraq...

Contributor: codc01

Date: 2003-04-11 14:21:32

No. If the US defends their interests within the legal international framework, i don't have any problem with that.

I'd really like that if all countries took more care about worlwide interest instead of their own, but i think this should be done by all countries all at once ... (IS it possible currently? No).

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United Nations will not release oil money for emergency Food & Water in Iraq...

Contributor: fatmomma

Date: 2003-04-13 00:18:36

I was relieved when Turkey turned down the American bribe. That was a lot of money they refused. However, Turkey is not that honourable in its treatment of its Kurdish people. Turkey has been accused of genocide of the Kurds.

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United Nations will not release oil money for emergency Food & Water in Iraq...

Contributor: fatmomma

Date: 2003-04-13 00:39:13

check out this website: http://www.orgurluk.org/hrights/humtorrap.
It describes many of the terrible human rights abuses and genocide of the Kurds in Turkey. Germany is mentioned as ignoring this abuses for its interests in trade with Turkey. The date is 1996 but if these abuses still exist as described under rape and torture ( or similar subtitle) I would have to support a regime change here and wonder why the UN hasn't done anything to control Turkey Administration that allows such atrocities.

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United Nations will not release oil money for emergency Food & Water in Iraq...

Contributor: codc01

Date: 2003-04-13 14:32:53

Well, Turkey has changed, they have no choice, they want to enter the European Union, and the conditions for entry are very strict, and most of those conditions have been respected. And I agree, just watch the known movie Lawrence of Arabia (which is an historical film after all), and you'll see that the Turks were not the kindest people in the world at all.

The problem i have is that the EU seems always to be adding new conditions to Turkey...

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