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Cellucci Speech

Contributor: Barretm82

Date: 2003-04-01 15:30:09


..."Odd, that the US 'has not decided whether to vote' within the institution it has just discarded as 'useless'."...


Fleabag, stop and think about what you are saying.

I have been listening to your concerns about injustices and human rights, and finally when the U.S. steps up pressure on China, your comments are not of the benefit this may provide for people in that country but geared to the politics of the U.S. administration.

Fleabag, please ask if we have become too jaded to recognize something positive because of all the difficult Iraq debate?

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Cellucci Speech

Contributor: Fleabag

Date: 2003-04-02 18:42:02


While I admit that this may be construed as 'Fleabag doesn't think the US can do anything right', I am happy that this issue has been brought to light by the US. The people of China could benefit greatly if the UN, and the US in particular, pursue the matter. My problem lies in the fact that The US puts no stock in the word of the UN, defies it when it (the US) or it's economic allies are called to account, but will pretend 'moral outrage' for some political mileage. There is no question the US needs to bolster it's image in world relations,
for many peoples question it's motives, and with good reason.
To threaten China with a statement like 'We'll consider doing the right thing since it is of no consequence' is hardly a threat at all. I would be far happier if the US and Canada threatened to cut off trade as long as they are 'totalitarian' would go a lot further to help not only the people of China, but people everywhere. For now, I only think they are trying to score PR points by threatening to 'consider' a moral stand, rather than an economic penalty.

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Cellucci Speech

Contributor: Barretm82

Date: 2003-04-02 22:43:21


Ahh, I understand you points better now. Yes you are right.

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Contributor: fatmomma

Date: 2003-04-03 00:58:11


The USA has a lot of gall to show their face at the UN. They don't [ay their dues; they don't abide by a vote ; they want the UN to rubberstamp their ideas ( just as they act towards Canada)
The USA will not enter into UN sponsored treaties such as Kyota or landmines or the ICC. The USA has just admitted using cluster bombs in Iraq.
These do not all explode and can present a danger for years to come.
Yes, maybe we are jaded; I wonder where they get the pomposity to criticize other nations at this time; I believe, it is all propoganda to show they are so conscientious and out to protect the world. I am not buying it

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Contributor: Barretm82

Date: 2003-04-05 13:29:59


Would you say that Syria and Libya have more or less Gall to show their face at the UN? How about North Korea? More or less?

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Contributor: fatmomma

Date: 2003-04-05 19:24:54


Than the USA??? much less; they do not have the power and veto to have a large control on the UN; nor is their over due dues significant. The USA likes to use the UN for its own purposes and ignores it when it doesn't get an agreement with its agenda. Israel should be expelled for ignoring resolutions.

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Contributor: codc01

Date: 2003-04-08 14:31:28


I agree with you, the US uses the UN when it suits them, expelling Israel is maybe harsh, no? Maybe a worldwide sanction on exporting weapons to Isreal... Then Israel woulds have no choice but to negociate in good faith!

p.s : This assumes that the US would respect this sanction and would not sell weapons to Israel... Which i truly doubt.

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