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Contributor: cfallon

Date: 2003-03-12 11:03:35

Banquo,

Yes, its true, I am Rush Limbaugh.

Look, people who disagree with Bush have pasted all sorts of ugly motives to his actions. They have also painted anyone who thinks Bush might have a point as being equally vicious and stupid.

So, its a bit of quid pro quo.

On your comments regarding the economy, I agree entirely that the US government is being rather reckless with their spending.

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Contributor: fatmomma

Date: 2003-03-12 23:26:52

Even if we did not suspect his motives; his words are not to be trusted.
The attack on Afghanistan was supposed to only to target terrorists. There was too much collateral damage and innocent civillians killed ; some only targeted because they were tall and could be Osama.
What has happened to "rebuilding Afghanistan" Iran is spending more money rebuilding Afghanistan than any other country.
Many of G W Bush'd proofs of Iraq"s WMD have been found to be fraudulent or irrelovant. The Drone planes that were to drop bomblets and that he claimed the weapon inspectors didn't reveal were made of balsam wood???? very scary
I do not like Saddam; I believe he deliberately provoked the Americans.
He was looking for a confrontation.
But while iraq is disarming under the weapons inspector of the UN. It is not a rational time to attack. America's insistence on attacking at this time is making them look as bad as the terrorists. America's insistence that its military not be tried for war crimes and it's refusal to join the War Crimes Tribunal makes its actions very suspect to me

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Contributor: cfallon

Date: 2003-03-13 15:56:14

I think you have a legitimate cause to suspect their motives, given that over their history, like so many other countries, they have failed to live up to the high standards they set for themseleves.

Whether or not Iraq is disarming is probably unknowable. Yes, there are gestures that it has made, always at the last minute. But these gestures, in my mind, reveal Saddam's motives more than anything.

I think America's objections to the war crimes tribunal are legitimate ones. I'm not saying that these concerns cannot be overcome. But the US is the land of frivolous lawsuits, so that they would be paranoid that frivolous accusations be levelled in the ICC or WCT is understandable!:>

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Contributor: banquosghost

Date: 2003-03-13 20:34:11

Ha! Good point.

The real reason the US is against the World Court is that several prominent American citizens would be among the first called to defend their actions. Congress and The White House know this perfectly well. The US's resistance to airing their dirty linen for the judgement of other's is not unjustified *but* when considered in concert with many other US non-multilateral decisions over the last few years the conclusion that they simply have no interest in true global community is almost inescapable.

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Contributor: cfallon

Date: 2003-03-14 14:35:27

But they never really did have any interest in the global community. It wasn't until 1942 that they become seriously active in world affairs. In fact, people still criticise them for that isolationist position.

What's so great about the global community?

Most countries on the planet are despotic, corrupt regimes and their citizens are deprived of their rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Why do we want to align ourselves with those regimes and form a community with them when we have no idea what their citizens think of this alliance?

Will you really take the World Court seriously when its Lybia's turn to appoint the chief justice? Do you think Lybians will have any say in that appointment - even indirectly?

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Contributor: fatmomma

Date: 2003-03-14 23:31:24

Is not Phillipe Kirsch of Canada the newly ELECTED chief justice of the International Criminal Court May 11, 2003. Not appointed by one country

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Contributor: fatmomma

Date: 2003-03-15 18:31:49

sorry MARCH 11 not May

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Contributor: codc01

Date: 2003-03-14 04:28:25

I also have doubts about the ICC, on the other hand creation of the ICC is morally justified.

There are problems though, the ICC is not even setup yet (the statute took effect in june 2002), and there are already 200 complaints!! The statute indicates that it only takes care of cases between june 2002 and later - have there been 200 genocides / war crimes between june 2002 and now??? We will see how the judges rules - i currently have good faith in the ICC, but this good faith is thin. Only time will tell.

Also, even though WWII was a long time ago and our standards have evolved since that time, today the Allies could be put under trial under the ICC, because they did bomb cities to demoralize the civilian population of Germany. I have no real opinion on this, I'm just saying the facts... and I'm just wondering... Is this good, is this bad? Probably today we have other ways of demoralizing the population without resorting to massive civilian bombing...

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Contributor: codc01

Date: 2003-03-14 13:08:33

Small 'errata' to my message, it seems the start date of the statute was july 2002 and not june 2002....

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